Hello, and welcome back to the Gubba podcast. I'm Gubba, a first time homesteader following in the footsteps of my homesteading forebears. And in this podcast, I talk about homesteading, prepping, and everything in between. Today is a special episode because I have an amazing guest. Today's guest isn't just another voice on the Internet.
She's a board certified medical doctor who was deep in the trenches during the chaos of COVID and 2020, Doctor Tatum Toner, also known as Renwell MD online, was once a firm believer in the system, proudly wearing the white coat, following protocols, and trusting the institutions that claim to have our best interests at heart. But what happens when the science stops making sense? When the safe recommendations start doing more harm than good? Doctor Toner's journey took a sharp turn. What began as a career rooted in conventional medicine has become a mission to expose uncomfortable truths.
And the biggest threat to public health today, it's not a virus. It's not on the evening news. It's not even up for debate in the Mackle boardrooms. According to doctor Toner, public enemy number one is something much more insidious, quietly lurking in our food supply and pushed on pregnant women as a must have nutrient, folic acid. So join us today as we dive into doctor Toner's transformation from obedient doctor to out spoken medical whistleblower.
We'll uncover how the system is built to keep you sick, why questioning it is considered dangerous, and what you really need to know to protect your health and your family. This is the episode Big Pharma hopes you never hear, so let's get into it.
Welcome back to the Gubba podcast. I'm Gubba, and I have a very special guest here with me today on this podcast. And we are gonna be diving into a subject that is super heated, and I get so many questions on it.
But special guest today is doctor Toner or Tatum, or how would you like me to call you? It's so first of all, thank you so much for having me. This is such a full circle moment for me. Let me just tell you. When I first went public or public, you know, out of my my private Instagram world, your videos were far and away the number one video that all my all the people sent me.
You're gonna love this girl. This is exactly what you're talking about. And so I quickly started following you, but that was very early in my awakening, like, early in this sort of journey. So being here today is actually, like, so full circle for me, and it's just wild. I've been such a fan, and it's just so nice to finally connect with you.
Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Yeah. Now to answer your question, it actually just dawned on me this morning because I'm actually going through kind of this, like, pivot in my in my real life, which kinda correlates to what I'm doing here. But I just left the hospital.
I just left my job as a hospitalist. And, really, what has been coming through in all of this is just this overwhelming, not in alignment to that role anymore. So it's this, like, pull that I've now left. So I left the hospital job, and I really don't I've and I've said this for a really long time. I don't necessarily feel like myself when people refer to me as doctor Toner.
It has always been a little bit of an imposter syndrome for me. And now that I've actually left, that industry and left the the license part of it, I think I just wanna be Tatum. I think that's kind of where I'm landing. This is honestly it's weird that you asked me that because this is I woke up this morning thinking, I think I'm just gonna go by Tatum from today on. So Wow.
Tatum work. Just have to say that's powerful because being able to recognize that you don't resonate with a label like that, doctor Toner, is powerful as that is. So many people, you know, covet that title. I think that's really amazing. So congratulations.
Thank you. Yeah. No. I definitely, still have all the knowledge that going through medical school and being indoctrinated by Western medicine. You know, I still I still carry that with me.
I still earned the degree. But I guess then just as I continue on this journey to finding myself, I'm sort of like, I don't think that's who I am anymore. Like, I think I'm just I think I'm I think I'm saying goodbye to doctor Toner. I think she's gone. I think she's, she's lived her her full life, so that's where I'm at.
What I think is amazing, though, is that doctor Toner shows up well, actually, Tatum shows up in my comments sometimes when I'm talking about, you know, some conspiracy theories or, like, recently, folic acid. Right? I see you in the comments, and I'm like, yes. Yes. Someone who is free and getting that truth out there of this powerful subject that we're gonna dive into today.
Well and I know a lot of people need that piece. You know? A lot of people need that it's not coming from a doctor, and so I definitely wanna honor that for anybody who needs to hear it from a doctor. Like, I'm indoctrinated. I'm board certified.
I've passed every single exam first time. I don't have any any limitations to that. I'm not I'm not being kicked out. You know? There's I don't have any you know, thinking of all the litigation and liability that a doctor carries, I don't have any of that to my name.
I've I have a clean slate as far as that goes. But I have in going the full course, the full indoctrination, and then practicing as a hospitalist for three years, I know that industry incredibly well, and I think that is valuable from the perspective when I say that's not it. That is not the whole picture. That is only the physicality, and there's a lot of flaw and a lot of, lot of things wrong with that approach, and it isn't true health. So that, I think, is reflected by our decreasing lifespan, our rates of chronic illness, all these things that, you know, we're supposed to have advanced in medicine, and yet our population doesn't reflect that at all.
And I feel like I can see very clearly why that is. And so if people need to hear it from a doctor, I I'm certainly able to do that. One thing I will say is my awakening happened my right in the middle of my residency, so my second year of residency. And, these were very, overwhelming discoveries. Right?
Like, it rocked the middle of my training when I had all these realizations, and I dove into the literature, and I was, like, making all these, uncoveries. Then sort of from a place of fear and in needing to inform the public and in needing to inform my patients, I immediately pivoted to inform my fellow doctors. Right? Like, we all need to be aware of this. And almost immediately, I was labeled a conspiracy theorist, which is true today, was not true then.
Right? Like, was not true in that moment when I was saying, hey, folic acid to all my colleagues, and that put a a label on myself. It was it was an accurate label, but it wasn't even true in that moment. You know? And so the doctors are overwhelmingly the hardest community to shift their understanding of things.
And so people are looking to the doctors to give them this information. And I always go back to, you know, it took fifty years from the time that we knew cigarettes caused cancer, fifty years for doctors to actually start counseling, you know, don't don't smoke cigarettes. So I'm at the very forefront of this fifty year potential swing and saying folic acid is enemy number one. Right? This is our biggest target.
Medicine's not gonna catch it up. If ever, my theories now are that this is their moneymaker. This is this is their return on their investment. Why would they give up? What keeps the population sick and dependent on their medications?
Right? Yeah. The best way to go is to keep this information from the doctors. Furthermore, indoctrinate the doctors, and this is done via all the board exams, all the studies, indoctrinate the doctors to prescribe folic acid to the most vulnerable population. So, they have actually I mean, I'm sure I can go into that a little bit more.
But Question. I'm gonna back up just a bit because you keep saying indoctrinated. And I know some listeners might be tuning in right now and thinking, wait. Doctors are indoctrinated? I go to them for advice.
So could you elaborate what you mean a bit on you were indoctrinated and these doctors are indoctrinated? What do you mean? Well, medical school, is an undertaking. It is not for the faint of heart. It is not for someone who fatigues easy.
It calls in a particular skill set, and I and their brilliant minds. When my first day in medical school, I was lit up. I could not believe the number of smart minds that I was around. I had to that point in my life, I had never been around so many smart people. And so I was just fired up over these people.
They're all very similar. Type a personalities, you know, the gunners, the people that and then there's also a lot of that, on the on the flip side, a lot of that sort of egotistical, narcissistic personality trait. Because what have we done as a society? Right? We have said a doctor, lawyer, teacher comes way up here.
And so if you were born in another country and you come to America, like, you're going to the top. You're going to the top of that power hierarchy. And so that right away, you know, attracts and weeds a certain type of person. People that are looking to to to demonstrate that sort of societal power or wants that societal power. I went to medical school because I resonated with being a healer.
I wanted to help people. Right? Like, I wanted to, like the idea that someone could come to me in a certain state and then just being with my skill set or my presence could turn around and walk away from me feeling better, happier, more well felt like the ultimate calling for me. Like, that that was what I wanted to do. So that's why I thought being a doctor was where I would find that.
And quickly real quickly. I mean, I did the entirety of medical school. This was in my second year of residency. But to the years. Right?
Six years. Six years, of being indoctrinated before I realized this isn't it. But, you know, that's by six years, you are, to some extent, trapped by what you have devoted your life to and the cost of that. So medical school isn't a isn't cheap. Right?
So you have put in a ton of resources to this endeavor and not just financially. It was the hardest thing I've ever done. Multiple hours in the book. I mean, pathology, pharmacology, not a lot of nutrition, and interestingly, very limited immunology, which was microbiology and immunology was one of the harder and more tedious of courses, but it still only scratches the surface. So so much actually had to leave my brain in order to come into that brain.
Like, I used to be pretty fluent in Spanish. I don't you know, there's a couple thing I haven't practiced, but I had to make room, right, for all this overwhelming knowledge. Something like folic acid is brought up several times in the literature as being how you prevent neural tube defects, as being the treatment for, macrocytic anemia, needing to prescribe folic acid for various autoimmune diseases that require methotrexate as the pharmacology. So we are indoctrinated not with a lot of nutrition, but with certain responses, therapies to certain conditions. This is what we do here.
This is what we do here. And it's very, automatic, and it's systematic, and it's algorithmic, and every you know, it's it's standard of care. This is the standard of care, that we have to know. And that is the indoctrination. If you deviate out of standard of care, your license doesn't protect you.
You are now receptive you know, you can get sued because it's not what the CDC counsels. And so even being an awakened doctor, when I was working in the hospital or even when I was working in primary care in that last year of residency, and and a patient wanted to know a response to something, my knee jerk reaction always had to be, this is what the CDC guidelines are. Right? Because I can't say as a physician, hey. This is like this is this whole system is set up to profit off of illness.
So they're not gonna treat something to a state of wellness, to a state of health because that is actually pushing away their profits. So if you go to the indoctrinated doctor who the entirety of their indoctrination medical school came out of Rockefeller, Big Pharma, they they they scrubbed natural holistic remedies. They scrubbed homeopathy. They scrubbed all these things from the nutrition, immuno real immunology. They scrubbed all these things from the medical textbook and then came in with their therapies.
And that is how doctors are indoctrinated to this day. I am very grateful that I was I got to a very sick place, using standard of care medicine and using a bunch of those therapies that ultimately spiraled me into severe illness, to where it it shook something deep inside of me that said this is not actually the way. This is not actually, how someone is supposed to be well. And that happened, through a series of, like, divine steps, I guess, which I've talked about on on, other podcasts. But, it was it was a gradual collapse of truly everything.
Everything I thought I knew, right as COVID was come into The United States, right as we were starting the pandemic. So it was wild for me. Just wild. So what I'm hearing, two things, is that you went to go be a healer. You were following your calling.
Then you realized that the standard of care wasn't aligning with what you felt. Is that what I'm hearing? Yeah. And so then you're also saying you were following the standard of care, which is outlined by the CDC, which is what you learn in medical school, and it made you sick. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah. So you have these two powerful contradictions going on. So what did you do? What were what were your next steps?
You have you have like you said, you were invested into medical school. I imagine not only were you financially in, you were mentally in, but also your family sacrificing, you know, those around you because it's so demanding of your time. So what did you do? COVID was coming, which was a huge, huge wake up for many, but, also, I feel like so many people locked into their indoctrination. We saw so many doctors lock in.
And what did you do? So that it was wild because I was one of them. Right? Like, before I got sick, I didn't go to medical school. Like, there was a time this is what's crazy.
When COVID first came, I was wear your mask, stay inside, like, go get you know, all these things that I was right on with everybody else. Like, I was, heard preaching herd immunity. I was doing I mean, I was indoctrinated. And I was also politically very left and liberal. And so anything that the mainstream media fueled to my emotional reaction, I was right there.
I was responding. I put the black lives matter in my Instagram. I did all the I literally I was doing all the things. So something happened within within me that was, I think, just a pressure cooker of a, this is not sustainable. Like, you are here to be well.
You are here to live a full life. You are here to love your life. You should wake up in the morning excited about what the day brings. Like, what a gift. You know?
What a gift to just wake up in the morning. And I was having a harder and harder time getting there. So I think from a soul place of wanting that, but then living something completely different, something in me, just snapped or shook open, and I I started seeing things incredibly clearly. And I'll just give a little bit more background about myself, and the types of issues I was dealing with because I think this plays into, folic acid, obviously. I so kind of around my I think it was right as residency started, and the my lifestyle started becoming a little bit more stressful, a little more demanding.
You know, I'm also being immunized every year and that you know, following all the, TB to all the things that I have to do to stay in practice every year. And with that, just things are starting to get worse for me. And the biggest thing for me were migraines. I had, really severe debilitating migraines that got worse. I had IBS, so I had this might be too much information, but liquid stool for probably, like, three straight years of my life, or leaky gut, however you wanna identify that.
I had chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia. It was incredibly hard to get out of bed in the morning. My shoulders would be stiff. My lower back would be stiff. I couldn't think straight.
I started having early dementia. So especially in seeing patients, it was hard for me either in the hospital to rattle off some of their lab values if a attending and I could have the number right in front of my face. You know? And I could have the screen their labs pulled up right in front of me. And I would go from number to try to talk to number, and it couldn't stick.
Things just couldn't stick, which was really challenging being a doctor in that or in a resident doctor. Right? I imagine kind of scary. Like, that would Very terrifying. Terrifying.
And I had gone to the doctor, my own primary, a few times with this inability to think straight. I can't focus. I can't study. So I was already on Adderall as a prescription, and that actually started, I wanna say my fourth year or so of medical school. And I was seeing a a physician because I was really struggling in that way.
But, again, things continue to get worse. It wasn't like it was really helping. And as far as my migraines were going, they were getting worse. And so a typical day, come, you know, second year residency, I would wake up in the morning, take three Excedrin, shoot a shot of espresso, and then the stimulant, which was for my ADHD, and then always have a red bull or two somewhere in in the day. So I was destroying my adrenal glands in this process, and I was destroying, I mean, so much of my body in this perpetual state of fight or flight, the sympathetic overdrive, that in retrospect, it really makes sense why I was as I was as sick as I was.
But none of that lifestyle would have been was not wasn't even remotely concerning to me. I thought I was doing what I was supposed to do to become a doctor, to get through what I had to get through, which was incredibly toxic. Oh, Hayden, what I wanna say is just hearing all of that, I'm thinking of the people who are listening, who are relating, you know, all of these health issues, the IBS, the fibromyalgia. I know that so many people struggle with that. And like you said, your lifestyle wasn't really concerning because it was normal.
I mean, I grew up drinking Red Bull. You don't think twice about what is being prescribed to you by these doctors, but that relates to what you're saying with their indoctrinated. They're doing what they were told. But like you said, it wasn't making you feel better. So I know we have people listening who are just like, hey.
That's that's where I'm at right now. That's where I went to the doctor. It's not actually helping. I still have IBS. I'm still having migraines.
I'm still entering early stage dementia. And so I feel like this is so important to touch on because, like you said, it's not concerning. Like, these lifestyles we are living are not concerning because they've been so normalized. So please continue on your story of, like, what you were doing, how it was going. I just wanted to mention, like, I know there's people listening who relate to that because I related to that just a few years ago.
And I was yeah. I mean and and, truly, I would tack on depression and anxiety to myself because the person I am today is I never thought was possible. I literally never thought was possible that I could be this happy, that I could feel this whole, that I could feel this safe in my body, that I could wake up every day excited with energy to zero pain. Like, I had no idea until I started getting well just how sick I was. And it was it was it was so bad, like, from a mental health perspective and all the ways that I beat myself up and how I let lived in this.
It was traumatizing. I really don't think that, like, humans are supposed we're not supposed to live like that. And so and it all started on this particular day. I woke up with, again, a debilitating migraine. But unlike my, how I had been able to get through the day previously, nothing was working.
I was on my second espresso, and I was still spinning. And I was, like, I couldn't see straight, and I was, like, throwing up. And I immediately texted my attending that morning because I had a morning full of clinic patients. I said, this isn't gonna work for me. I need a little bit more time to get on top of this migraine.
I'm having a migraine, and I had worked through migraines before. I was, you know, I I was perpetually ill and working in that cycle, which was my normal. So I didn't necessarily like, I was just sort of waiting. Like, I just have to get on top of this so I can drive, so I can. But it was really sick.
And she was really sweet about it, and she said, that's okay. You know, we'll we'll reschedule your patients, but, really, you need to be here by lunchtime because we have a rep coming. And so, I said, okay. I'll do that. I'll, you know, I'll be there.
So I'm drinking water. I'm, you know, getting I'm starting I'm starting to get on top of where I need to be so I can drive. I get there right as didactic is starting, and it just so happens to be a migraine, sales rep. And I'm it's just wild because he's talking to me about this injection, which was Emgality. It's a monthly migraine injection.
I'm sure you've seen commercials for it. And I show up, and I'm like, this is crazy because I I just this morning had the worst migraine of my life, and that's why I'm late. And I had didn't see you know? And he said, well, here. Take a sample.
You should try it. If if it works for you, you'll be the first to then tell your patients about it. So in clinic that day, I took my first Emgale shot, and it was, it was pretty rapid to how quickly I had complete relief of my migraines. So and and by complete relief, I mean, I was going I was having four or five a week. Right?
That's the majority of my week with migraines to three or four for the entire month. So this was more happy, good days or pain free days or migraine free days than migraine days. And I thought I had uncovered the holy grail. And I went to every migraine patient that came through, and I said you need to be on Emgality. This is a monoclonal a monoclonal antibody.
This is gonna fix your life. And I told everybody about it. I said, I'm I'm ground zero with this stuff. This is life changing. And because it had made such a difference, I immediately went into the literature to figure out what is this thing.
Because I have tried everything. I have been on the, you know, the sumatriptan, the or the Imitrex. I had gone down the propranolol. I had gone down the topiramate. There were all these antipsychotics that I had tried, and I find this injection, and I'm like, I'm gonna be saved.
So it's a monoclonal antibody that targets, this certain receptor that's upregulated in inflammatory conditions when the body is in a a state of inflammation. So right away, I was like, great. This is in migraines are inflammatory. I need to figure out what's causing all this inflammation in my body. So that immediately and at that point, I had done a lot of migraine exploration, and there were sort of hints to it being like a histamine response, which made sense because anytime I had, like, a sip of red wine, I would get in an immediate migraine.
There were certain, like, almost felt like an allergic reaction in some situation, so that histamine theory felt good. But now that I had this injection, I'm thinking it's inflammatory. I've figured this out. This is all I need. I can go into the literature, and I can figure out the rest because it's given me the one bit of hint that I I needed.
And so in this sort of I'm now in this trajectory of figuring out what a migraine is. My other symptoms are still sort of getting worse. Like, my fibromyalgia, my IBS, nothing is truly getting better. But, hey, migraines are better. That's that's that's a win.
Right? And so as I'm sort of trying to piece this puzzle together, we get this, chapter reading assignment from the holistic psychiatrist. And I and, again, couldn't read, couldn't get into the first two chapters, was really struggling. I even asked him for an extension because I'm like, I don't know what's wrong with my brain. I can't I truly can't read.
I'm not integrating this. Well, the third one chapter was vitamin and mineral deficiencies in common neurological disorders. And immediately my I'm just reading it. And this is sort of like the divine aspect where I'm like, I don't know how I haven't I don't have an explanation why those two chapters didn't go down or why this one third chapter just absorbed like water. I just have to say this was what was meant to be.
And so in this chapter, it's talking about magnesium deficiency. It's talking about folate deficiencies. It's talking about, various, you know, other riboflavins and all these things that are important in brain development that you see are rock bottom deficient in things like Alzheimer or things like, migraine. So went out, bought my first magnesium supplement on the basis of that chapter, started doing their recommended. It was three to five hundred milligrams daily in divided doses for anyone with symptoms or inflammatory condition.
So I met those requirements. I would take one in the morning, one or two in the morning, three at night, and the effects that I had on my sleep, my anxiety, my mental acuity, my mood, my bowel movements. I mean, already, I started noticing significant improvements. I felt them. Like, I felt like I was being pulled through my feet to the ground, and I felt safer, and I felt, like, more present and more in my body just with magnesium supplementation.
So I'm going, There's really something to this. So I gave a presentation on magnesium. I'm telling all these people to take mag my patients take magnesium. They're actually coming back to me and saying that was the best night of sleep I've ever had. Oh my gosh.
I'm never not gonna take this. But as I'm getting excited about magnesium, my colleagues are all, again, starting to to drop off. They're kinda starting to, like, think I'm a little loony, and I'm starting to get get my magnesium? Just for magnesium. Just for magnesium.
I know. I know. It gets crazy. And so and then I was having all this success via magnesium and lifestyle changes and really activating the parasympathetic nervous system in these people, that sort of the harder to treat patients from my colleagues and even my attendings would end up on my list. Like, the ones where they would get frustrated with this isn't working.
This isn't working. This isn't working. And now the the doctor's getting frustrated because his ego and his his everything's not working. And the patient would always tell me too. The first time they saw me, I could tell they were getting frustrated with me.
I could and I'm like, well, that's why you're on my list. Don't worry. We're gonna we're gonna take care of you. That's why you're on my list because I don't I have this woo woo magnesium that is actually helping people, and people are and so all these patients that were hard to treat were would end up on my list and then stay on my list, and and there were results. But even my attendings would come back to me and say, there's not an there's no literature to support magnesium.
There's no, this is just making their pee expensive. This you this this isn't standard of care. Where did you get this? Where did you get and and I would pull out the the literature, and I would pull out the sources, and I would pull out anecdotally what it's done for me. You know?
And it it was never enough. It was never it never landed. So quickly I realized, like, this is my own endeavor. This is my own, I gotta figure out what's going on here, and I am now up against standard of care indoctrination as far as actually reaching people or making, you know, them feel better or making them well, anything like that. So it so I'm now in the literature at home, deep into PubMed, studying about inflammation and ADHD and migraines.
And somewhere within all this literature, the MTHFR gene comes into my awareness. So I start understanding MTHFR, and I read this, about this doctor who used to, check to see if he if his patients had the MTHFR polymorphism, but he would give them at the time, it was a dropper of methylfolate, and he would drop methylfolate into his patient's, mouths. And if they felt anything, it didn't matter what they felt. If they felt anything, any change inside their body, that that was in indicative of the polymorphism versus if you if he if you had some of the methylfolate and didn't feel anything, likely, you didn't have the poly polymorphism. So I took that essay, and I know people are gonna be like, where is this essay?
I I haven't been able to find it since. So this this is all just a part of my story and how I, like, have this thing, but a lot of these things that were a lot of these pieces of literature that were sort of pivotal points for my journey, I've had a really hard time finding. So Yeah. They hide and bury stuff. Anyways Oh, the landscape, in the literature today versus the landscape when I was having my awakening, night and day different.
They've they've pulled entire abstracts that I have screenshots of. You go back to that study, the abstract is gone. So it's just like it's totally different, which makes sense why I think a lot of your following is, like, really wanting the literature. Like, where's the study? Where I need to have and a lot of you know?
And a lot of those studies, which I was able to produce in the past and I'm not able to produce in the are also riddled with error. Just absolutely semantics. It it's it's almost not even worth it to go into the literature, but I'll go back to that. Where was I when I, We're talking about your story, but I would like to add in right here. We got on a sidetrack of the literature and how things change.
Because, yes, when I share things online, I'm sure you probably meet this too. Source. What's your source? What's your source? What people don't understand is that just like everything else, these things are controlled.
Just as you're saying there were, sources five years ago, articles you're reading and now they're gone, things are buried. You can see it very much on the search engine Google where they purposely will bury things, makes it hard to find. So just for those who are starting to awaken, this is something you need to realize that the literature is changing and that there are forces and funding that goes into this to specifically hide things. So, yes, if you would like to continue on your story, you were in the literature and you stumbled upon the study of the doctor who was dropping in the medical. Yes.
Thank you. Thank thank you. Okay. So I was there with, I was reading this study or this it was an essay, and, I was in Lake Tahoe at the time. My husband was doing some military training, and I there was a natural food store right down the road, and I said, I'll be right back.
Went, said, where's do you have any kind of liquid dissolvable methylfolate? I I was not into betting anything at this time, so I don't recommend anybody does this. Right? Like, this is this is me experimenting with myself. And what I learned after my first podcast is then everybody wanted to know which methylfolate I used, and they wanted to replicate my experiment.
And I really don't recommend that because, one, monosupplementing has a lot of downsides and a lot of downstream complications, and I I learned that very quickly. But this was a very pivotal part of my own journey that I needed to experience in order to give credibility to the sources that I was reading. So I was sort of integrating what I was reading with my own life. So I need magnesium. I'm gonna take magnesium.
This guy did this. Alright. I'm gonna go find out if this methylfolate causes any kind of change in my body. I got a dissolvable grape flavored methylfolate, went home, took one tablet, let it dissolve in my mouth, and it felt like somebody had opened a window and all the smoke in my brain went out the window. I could see colors were more vibrant.
My brain was sharp. I was talking. I'm like, am I talking too fast? Like, things were just happening for me cognitively that I had never had access to before. And I even told my sister-in-law because she was with us on that trip.
I said, remember this day. Remember this day forever because our entire lives change from this moment on. And I didn't know why, but I just knew that I was on to something. Like, I was discovering things in real time. And so after I did that and then I had a second methylfolate, which which, the next day, which caused me to break out into, like, massive sweats, and I had this, like, crazy irritability, and it felt like somebody was, like, knocking me.
It was really unpleasant. And I went, what's that about? And I dove into the literature and found out very quickly what don't recommend doing that. And so I stopped doing that. But I I did take that with me, that, bottle, and then I started experimenting on friends and family who had, especially ones that had chronic illness or certain things, going on in their their own health.
So someone like my husband had a methylfolate. He's the healthiest person I know. Literally, he can have whatever he wants, the the red dyes, the toxics, and he wakes up every day feeling fabulous. He had a methylfolate. Nothing happened to him.
I could predict that. No no kidding. You're you don't have the genetic polymorphism. You're good. But then other people who who I knew had, chronic ailments, I would give them methylfolate.
And immediately, like, some would be forthcoming with, oh, I feel good. I feel euphoric. I feel a certain way, or my chest feels expansive, or, oh, my I think I need to use the bathroom. There'd be something, you know, some system that would be, affected in this, like, profound way. And then I would say, okay.
You have the MTHFR polymorphism. It was very easy then and this was all in my private life, not in residency. But I was developing sort of confidence in my theories regarding this enzyme based on what I was kind of experimenting in my own life with my own people. Do you explain the MTFR polymorphism just in case anybody is listening and doesn't quite understand what you are looking at? Right.
So and this is probably the this is what everyone needs to understand. I did so, this study so if you were to go in to Google right now and type in folate metabolism, right at the top of Google is this study. So, it is toward a better understanding of folate metabolism and health and disease, and it's put out by the journal of experimental medicine. But it's an NIH study. The government puts it out.
The government's like, here, understand folate metabolism. There's a lot of truth in this, but there's also a lot of semantics and a lot of manipulation and a lot of just total fraud. One of the things that they say very early, and in explaining the study, I'll explain the MTHFR as well. But, they say very early that Sydney Farber discovered folic acid and recruited a cohort of leukemic children to test whether folic acid might be able to restore normalcy to the blood cells in leukemia just as it does in macrocytic anemia. Okay?
So couple of things there. Macrocytic anemia was I'll come back to that. I'll come back to that. This trial was quickly stopped as folic acid was found to actually exacerbate the disease. It led to a revised idea that folic acid antagonists might stop leukemia.
So what is a folic acid antagonist, you might ask, is this, is methotrexate. So, that's I think the WHO's number one pharmacology is methotrexate. It's what you give to abort a fetus. It's what you give to, treat psoriasis. It's the standard of care for a lot of autoimmune disorders.
Ironically and it's not ironic because let's go back to the indoctrination that doctors don't know that there's a difference between folic acid that was that was discovered as a synthetic chemical right in Google's number one intro to folic acid, right, causes cancer and that there is no distinction between folate and folic acid. That's a 100% of my colleagues will argue with me that folic acid and folate are the same thing. So you're looking for your doctor to tell you not to take folic acid. Your doctor's gonna prescribe folic acid. Because, ironically, as a hospitalist, what I saw on a lot of my, cancer patients is that they would be on methotrexate and one milligram of folic acid twice a day, which is ironic because folic acid feeds cancer.
Methotrexate stops the enzyme that folic acid attaches to. So it doesn't really make sense that you're right. Like, that that whole paradigm where you give methotrexate in one milligram folic acid makes zero sense zero sense whatsoever. And yet this is what on call cancer doctors do. So you're you have cancer.
Right? And you go to your oncologist who says, oh, but you also have you know, we need to address all your blood levels. You probably have a folate deficiency. Let's give you folic acid. And what does that do?
It feeds the cancer. It it literally makes the cancer worse. They say that. Yet, in the same study, as it's talking about, it uses folic acid and folates interchangeably. Right?
So the first thing they do in this study is they come out and they say folic acid is a synthetic chemical. It was found x y z, and it is, it is not found in nature. It exacerbates chronic illness and cancer and makes you sicker, but it gave us a therapy that we can use to treat it. This was in 1947 that they did the study, 1947. And it wasn't until 1998, forty years later, that we created a law that mandates folic acid fortification into our food.
So we've been sitting on on on data that says that folic acid feeds cancer, and then we're putting it into the food. And the people that it's gonna hurt the most, going back to what we were talking about, are the people with the MTHFR poly polymorphism, which was me. Right? Yeah. And what I think too, people when you said the phrase people who it's gonna hurt the most, who is recommended to take folic acid the most?
Pregnant. And where and where pregnant women. Yeah. And where is MTHFR expressed in the highest capacity? The placenta.
So and who is pushing this? Bill Gates. What else is Bill Gates interested in? Right? Like, depopulating Depopulation?
So you're giving pregnant women and and okay. So let's go back to 1998 when they started putting this in the food. It actually hit Congress Floor in 1993. Con so and and who brought it? It was big pharma.
Big pharma brings this and we're starting to understand why. Right? They see a connection between folic acid and people with the MTHFR poly polymorphism being manned out as soon as that folic acid, that's a return on their investment because they're gonna have the treatment and the therapies for all the things that folic acid is gonna cause. Right? So they bring folic acid fortification to Congress Floor, and they're like, let's do let's put this in the food to prevent neural tube defects.
Let's talk about neural tube defects for a second. This is things like spina bifida or an open spinal canal. Where did they come up with folic acid specifically turns that around? Because they there is no study. There is no study.
It came from a study where they took mice, and they knocked out this m t oh my gosh. M t it's it's like m t h f r, but it's an m t something. M t r. Yeah. MTR.
They knock out that gene. They're these are called, gene knockout mice. So they take the mice. They look at their they, they breed them to be missing a part of the genetic DNA that codes for an enzyme. This enzyme was found in so what happened when they knocked that enzyme out, which is a part of tetrahydrofolates metabolism, THF, when they took the enzyme away, they found that these mice were born with neural tube defects.
So instead of having a study that looked at folic acid on neural tube defects, they made the assumption that if you take out this enzyme, it's gonna cause neural tube defects. Therefore, we should give more folic acid in case that enzyme is missing. That's literally the basis for this folic acid argument, which that doesn't hold water. That's that that that does hold no water, but it's been carried over. And it was carried over to 1993 Congress Floor.
And then you had nutritionists. So everyone wants to come at me for a year a doctor, but you never studied nutrition. Right? A 100% agree with you. All the doctors don't have any understanding of the way metabolism works.
No one has an understanding of actually what is happening in this process because there's a very important thing that I hope anyone who listens to this understands for the rest of your life is that when you take natural folate, which in this study, natural folate comes from food and is very, unstable in its natural form. You cannot find natural folate in the world because it quickly changes once you start eating it. It quickly changes. So it's really hard to get it to stay in its natural nature by design form. So the forms they're able to tackle are these more stable, folates, and they said they said there's 200 of them there's 200 folates in nature, but the ones we're able to mimic in pharmacology or in nutrition are methylfolate, folic acid, and tetrahydrofolate, THF, methylfolate, and folic acid.
These are the three different types of folates, all that are unnatural, man made in the lab, but can be plugged into the equation and be utilized by our body's receptors at various points of folate metabolism. And the the problem with both folic acid and tetrahydrofolate and I wanna make this very clear because tetrahydrofolate is now in the spotlight known as leucovorin, and leucovorin is being used in other countries to treat autism and all these other things, or I've been on leucovorin. And there's this folate choice group that's trying to take folic acid out of the food, which I'm yeah. Go do that, but they wanna replace it with leucovorin. It's literally the same thing.
It's a it's a slightly different chemical, but they both in enter the equation. I will show you. And I know you don't this is audio only, so it's gonna be kinda hard. But, So you're telling me they wanna replace folic acid, which is a poison, with almost another poison just slightly different. Yes.
And and the the key and so the key here, what they're what they're arguing is that leucoviran is more bioavailable than folic acid and therefore can enter the equation, and they can they can manipulate this metabolism a little easier. Here's the problem. Natural folate, and this is this article that you first thing you come up on when you type in folate metabolism, natural folate has something like 200 different, ways that it's found out and, you know, it's rapidly unstable. But where it enters the equation is is methylfolate. So if you're ever going to take a folate supplement, make sure you're getting it into the equation down at the bottom at its root, methylfolate.
The whole point of folate in nature is it's a methyl donor, meaning there's a carbon and three hydrogens, and this process of methylation is what detoxes the entire body. The entire if you have a chemical, call it red number 40. Right? Red number 40 red dye number 40 is floating around in your body. How do we excrete that?
How do we get rid of these chemicals out of our body? Methylation. Once that methyl group tacks on, it can now be eliminated through various channels out of our body, but it requires methylation. If you don't have methylation, if you are deficient methylation, everything slows down. You become a walking inflamed harbor of toxins that your body is constantly trying to fight.
So the key is methylfolate. The key is folate from nature. The key is give yourself something that can give you methyl. The biochemical equation where folate enters, the whole process, the whole purpose, the whole design of folate, why folate is vital to your health, why it's needed in pregnancy, why it's needed in everything, is it carries this methyl group from an outside. That methyl group gets tacked on to inactive b 12 cobalamin.
It's a different cobalamin state. Inactive b 12, which now becomes methylcobalamin. That methylcobalamin then takes that methyl group that it got from folate. It is now active b 12, and it puts it onto homocysteine. Homocysteine, which is this big toxic chemical in your body, now becomes methionine with this new folate with this new, methyl group on it.
Methionine is homocysteine with methyl on it. And now methionine is this super potent antioxidant, detoxifier in the body. It goes around, and it clears up your, toxin load. And then as it loses that methyl group, it now becomes homocysteine again. So homocysteine level, which is rampant in the literature, you can type in homocysteine into PubMed.
Homocysteine elevated is associated with migraine, dementia, fibromyalgia, pretty much infertility. Every single inflammatory, every disease, every state is associated with a super high homocysteine level. You could make the, assumption that it's the homocysteine that's causing these problems. And, actually, the New England Journal of Medicine in 2017 actually produced a study that that made that, assumption that if your homocysteine is, like, in the 11 range, you have a five year mortality rate to have a cardiac event. And that's because homocysteine inherently creates flaws and damages the vessel walls and, you know, they have all these mechanisms for which homocysteine itself is the is the culprit.
Where I'm at now in today's journey is that it's not homocysteine. Homocysteine in abundance is actually a reflection of low methionine and a a toxic burden. You have used you have depleted all of your methionine based on your toxic burden in your body and therefore have an abundance of homocysteine because you because you need the methyl. Right? Mhmm.
Are we here? Because this is how it's normally done. Methylfolate gets put on b twelve. B 12 then converts homocysteine to methionine. That's natural.
When methylfolate puts its methyl group onto b 12, it then becomes tetrahydrofolate. Right? Tetrahydrofolate is leucovorin. Leucovorin or tetrahydrofolate then goes off, does some there's all these different shunting. You can do a ton of things with tetrahydrofolate.
It exists in this, like, middle ground of where should it go. One of the things is to close neural tube defects. So they're that's where they're writing on there. But it also creates, or it also creates neurotransmitters. It creates DNA replicate.
You go on a lot of different journeys. If you have an abundance of tetrahydrofolate or an abundance of folic acid because let's go back to where folic acid. Folic acid not only lacks the methyl group when it comes into the equation, the whole purpose of folate is that methylator. It not only lacks methyl, but it requires two methyl groups to get in to be tetrahydrofolate. It requires methylation twice.
So now instead of having folate, which the whole purpose of natural folate in the entire world is to give the body this methyl that require that methylation is requiring, we have now taken folic acid, takes away two of those methyl groups and comes in at a place completely opposite to methylfolate. Tetrahydrofolate, if you now go back to chemistry. Right? You have products on this or reactants on this side, products on this side. When you what happens when you flood the equation with reactants?
Right? It shunts to products. What happens when you flood the equation with products? It shunts the equation. Right?
So you're gonna flood the body with tetrahydrofolate, which not only is going to shunt the equation down against methylfolate, moving that methyl group to active b 12, moving homocysteine to methionine. So as a result, you're gonna have high homocysteine from folic acid. You're gonna have, inactive b 12 in abundance, which I saw. I would have a lot of psychotic patients in the hospital, and I would get a b 12 level. Mhmm.
B 12 levels measure total b 12. They don't actually measure your active or your methylated b 12. So when you're getting a b 12 level, it's actually somewhat useless because it's not telling you how much is being methylated and how much is just getting stockpiled in your body because you're not methylating it. Right? There's no difference in that lab.
So all these patients that I said, that looks like a a gross b twelve deficiency or that looks like a folate deficiency. They're macrocytic anemia. You know, there there's a lot of things going on here. You would get a folic acid level, which would be through the through the roof, obviously, and you would get a b twelve level, which also would be through the roof. And so immediately, from a lab perspective, you discount folic acid or b twelve as being the cause of that person's presentation because you have the labs that tell you otherwise.
In the literature, there's actually studies that say you should take a b twelve level in excess as a gross deficiency because what you're looking at now is just a plethora of an inactive b twelve that's actually not doing anything in the body. In order to activate your b twelve, you have to have folate from nature or methylfolate, you know, if in the in the supplement industry. That's where you wanna come in. So to the folate choice group who is knocking at my door, you're not gonna win me over with leucovorin and tetrahydrofolate, which is gonna shunt the entire metabolism the wrong direction. And every single monosupplement does this.
When you go straight to the product side and you say, I'm just gonna, you know, outsource my body's metabol I don't really need the metabolism pro I'm just gonna take the product over here. It is the metabolism, the process that is giving you the byproducts that your body craves and wants. It is the so giving yourself those root nutrients, and it's not just what those nutrients do in your body. It's what breaking those nutrients down do in your body. It is the actual conversion of those things and the byproducts.
So if you just take tetrahydrofolate, you're just shooting your b twelve level in the foot because you're not giving you're not you're not giving your body anything to methylate that b twelve. That is only gonna be found in natural folate or methylfolate. So what you end up having is folic acid now being on the toxin list. Because if I just said, you need methylation to detoxify your body or turn genes on and off or do any kind of methylation is a 100% of that. Then then folic acid needs to be methylated to be used is just puts it on to be, you know, to be excreted, to be in the equation, to be metabolized.
It just goes straight out of the toxin list. So why does this hurt people with MTHFR the most? Because methylfolate it is there anything because I know I'm talking super fast, and I'm a, I sometimes people need to tell me to be quiet. Oh, no. I think this is great.
I feel like in simple terms, right, if I'm understanding correctly that our body's detox systems, these innate detox systems we were built with are getting clogged up because we have folic acid that is coming in and it doesn't have that methyl group that is necessary to activate that detox. We're just getting all of these things built up in our bodies. What it sounds like is these indoctrinated doctors are not taught how to interpret the results. Not at all. Not at all.
So when I'm in the hospital and I'm having all these patients and I'm seeing these things, well, that doesn't make sense to what I know biochemically is happening. Right? Like, that b 12 level should not be high. So I call the lab, and I say, tell me about your b twelve test. What is what is going on here?
What are you what are you picking up on? Oh, it's total b twelve. So it's not actually active b 12. No. Okay.
How much can I assume is active? Do you have any mechanism? Oh, I guess, I guess the common rule of thumb is that 25% at any given moment is active, 75% is inactive is the general rule of thumb. None of that was taught to me in medical school. This was me going out of my way to really try to make sense of the body because I'm learning this in my own body, but I'm also seeing all these labs inside hospital walls on a daily basis that are also reflecting some of these concerning things, like the MCB, the macrocytic anemia, the elevated homocysteine level.
You know, there are certain things where I'm like, yeah. That b 12 level doesn't make sense. And sure enough, I find the literature that supports that, but I'm like, this is a game changer because my entire team in meeting that woman who has had a history history of psychosis, now she can't walk and everybody says it's in her head. She's been bounced around to psychiatrists and, you know, everyone's saying it's in her head. And I'm going, but she can't feel her feet, like and she's young and, like, this doesn't make sense, and none of this makes sense.
This feels like a really severe b twelve deficiency. She's she reads to me as a severe b twelve deficiency. And we took her lab, and it was more than 5,000, which is, like, toxic b twelve. And this woman isn't on supplements, and she's not getting injections. Like, there's no reason why a a b twelve level should be that high.
So then it takes me back to this folate metabolism and what's actually happening. And sure enough, she was on one milligram of folic acid a day. And if you go to the CDC and type in toxic upper limit of folic acid, it tells you one milligram. It says there is zero toxic upper limit for natural folate, but the toxic upper limit for for folic acid is one milligram. And and, I mean, it's it's complete systemic collapse.
It's just like your body can't detox anything. So the MTHFR, enzyme comes in after tetrahydrofolate. So you have tetrahydrofolate, which then requires MTHFR, this, methyl tetrahydrofolate reductase. Methylene tetrahydrofolate reduct not methyl. Methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase.
MTHFR, is required to process that tetrahydrofolate so and recycle it. So it either comes back into the equation as where it can be a methylator or it gets shunted to these other pathways. One of the pathways being if there's an excess of, tetrahydrofolate, it actually makes formaldehyde in your body. So it gets shunted, and that's in this exact paper. That was that was new to me.
So I didn't even realize how toxic tetrahydrofolate itself can be when it's in toxic abundance. You have to be able to process this tetrahydrofolate through methylene tetrahydrofolate reductate reductase, MTHFR. If you don't, you then have a backup to toxicity and a and a backup to, detoxifying all the garbage in your environment, which we know there is infinite numbers of. And, that's true for anybody. That's that that that need for that MTHFR is to recycle the tetrahydropolite is true for anybody.
Now you have 40 to 60% of the population whose MTHFR works 50% at the 50% rates. My husband has a 100% MTHFR function. That guy can detox like no one's business. I cut at least in half. So to the forty to sixty percent of the population who has this polymorphism, they're getting sicker sooner.
They're getting sicker younger. They're getting all these symptoms of being unable to talk. They're the ones who are drinking alcohol just like their friend is drinking alcohol, but now they have alcoholic cirrhosis. But now they have all these consequences of that of that toxin in abundance much earlier. My earliest cirrhotic was, 32 years old, and she had alcoholic cirrhosis.
And when I reviewed her history with you, yeah, she was drinking more than she should, but it was pretty much to par with, like, her age group. It wasn't that out of the ordinary. She did have she was on antidepressants, and she was showing signs of systemic MTHFR. You know, she she was showing that that she had that. But, otherwise, like, she just seemed way too young to have cirrhosis.
And we're seeing that now. So going back to I have a quick question too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You can tell me if I'm jumping the gun, but I'm sitting here thinking. You said, what, forty to sixty percent of the population is just overloaded. Their detox system isn't working. So somebody might be listening and they're like, well, well, that's me. Like my friends, they're able to drink or they eat food and they're fine and I get sick.
That's me, actually. Actually. I can't eat like processed food. It makes me just sick immediately. Whereas other people just eat it daily.
So what would somebody do if they're like, oh man, I'm overloaded. I'm in that state. What can I do to get out of that state? Because it sounds like it almost sounds like it might be a dead end wall, but I know it's not because our body's amazing. So what would you say for somebody who wants to get out of that?
I would say, first thing, you have to cut out folic acid. You have to cut out folic acid. And they have their work cut out for them. This is now a new lifestyle because folic acid is in everything. So go everything.
So now going back to 1993, you've got big pharma saying let's put folic acid in the food. You've got nutritionists and people who and biochemists, people on the other side going, are you insane? This is going to mask your macro anemia. This is going to make a b twelve deficiency impossible to find and target, and this is gonna cause infertility, miscarriage. This is bad.
This is very bad. And they were at war for five years. Big pharma and this other side who saw what was gonna happen, fighting, dueling for five years. So what changes? What changes in that five years?
Because I can go into, like, I got after I, you know, had my own awakening and my son who at this point had just had his, eighteen month wellness visit, and he had all the vaccines and MMR, and he has MTHFR, so immediately started showing signs of, brain dysfunction. He was doing head banging, and there was a lot of scary things happening in real time with my son. And then I started using my my, MTHFR and the methylfolate and all of the things that I was learning on him. And so you're talking to to to a mama who had a son who was injured and also myself greatly injured by this folic acid. And we had to basically, you know, scratch and claw our ways to to health and wellness.
Like, we had to figure this out from a very root cause place. So anybody who's just starting this journey wants to get, better, I wanna give you all the encouragement in the world that, like, you have no idea what like, the sky is the limit to how much better you can feel. This you don't even know yourself. You haven't even met yourself. That's what I wanna tell you.
If you're feeling like garbage, there is a world out there where you get to, like, just feel amazing and be excited to wake up in the morning. What that required for me, I had to cut out folic acid completely from my diet, and that took the biggest leg of the work. Because something like magnesium supplementation, you could do pretty easily. And I would recommend that to people for the for from the perspective of the abundance of heavy metals that are competing with our magnesium on an electrical, you know, two plus charge or whatever magnesium has. So there's heavy metal competition there, and I recommend magnesium from that perspective.
But, otherwise, the biggest thing that helped me was eliminating it from our diet. And because it is in everything, it it is a big pivot. It is a big shift to now you are reading every label. You're, only buying real food. You're baking your own bread potentially, which is what I think your audience is already doing probably.
And maybe they don't feel as sick, but then maybe they they're missing that key point that's like, oh, you're right. Every time I go have Cheez Its or anytime I do something process, I start I have these symptoms. I've noticed that. Now if you just specifically notice folic acid, this is gonna make, that that whole work a lot easier. So let me I know I keep getting derailed.
But between 1993 and 1998, what happened? The FDA Modernization Act of 1997 passes November 1997, and that is a dirty little, dare I say, satanic piece of legislation with, which what they do in this FDA Modernization Act is big pharma, buys the FDA for, 30 something million dollars a year to streamline medications quicker to the public by hiring 696 more employees. That's essentially all it's saying. They're gonna hire 696 employees, and that this is going to help streamline drugs to the world faster because they can approve patents and studies quicker. And it's only gonna cost big pharma $37,000,000 a year for five years.
So that passes, November 1997. Fortification, folic acid fortification passes right after closed door vote, which was eight to nine, so not even by a landslide, and it gets implemented January 1998. So So the only thing that changed in that in that five year span of this intense and heated debates surrounding folic acid was that, essentially, big pharma buys the FDA, and I feel the rest is history. That's the pattern that we see and also especially when you follow the money. There's so many things that you can find.
I've been on PubMed, and you look at the special acknowledgments, and then you find out that whoever was doing the study was funded by someone that they are trying to help. Oh, goodness gracious. Cue the first study when you when you pull up folic acid. Let's just let's just go back to the end here. So, just in terms of this study, that, again, you're you're gonna type in to wanna know more information.
Right? And this is the first study that'll pop up, and it'll tell you about understanding folate metabolism, and it leads you astray because very quickly throughout the study, they interchange folate and folic acid. And I meant to say that earlier too when you're if for anybody going into the studies, if, you know, if that study is swapping folate and folic acid willy nilly, like, they're they're you've already you can debunk the study because we've we've already established those. One's a chemical. One is down in nature.
And a lot of the studies that were showing promising, things on folate were actually methylfolate used in India or, I think it was Pakistan where a lot of the studies were, no. Was it Italy? Sorry. But when they were translated, they were translated then in English to say folic acid. So, again, it's a lot of a semantics play it play.
But if you go to the acknowledgment section of this of this one study that that Google and and the government would like you to read. This work was supported by a department of defense breast cancer research program postdoctoral fellowship, a National Cancer Institute grant, the Lustgarten Foundation grant, and a gift from the Mindy and John Gray family, Elsie Cantley. Elsie Cantley is a founder and member of the science advisory board of Agios Pharmaceuticals and Petro Pharmaceuticals, companies that are developing drugs to treat cancer, which I think is fascinating given that folic acid causes cancer. So they're gonna so so let's just think about that. The people that benefit from folic acid fortification, which would clearly be the cancer industry.
Right? Because if you're gonna eat folic acid, you're gonna get cancer, and then they have the treatments. They're the ones giving you the study they want you to get your folic acid information on. So for everyone who wants the literature on this, good luck. It is a witch hunt.
So I think for anybody who has MTHFR or is concerned about that, but also even if you don't, because, also in the literature are studies that say an abundance of unmetabolized folic acid and abundant and you might even be able to find this via the title. But, excess folic acid unmetabolized folic acid mimics an MTHFR deficiency. So it's only a matter of time before your own toxic burden catches up with you. But people who have the m MTHFR polymorphism have an abundance of toxins because they're slower at methylating them. And those people especially really need to be intentional about, high high natural folate dense food.
So that's where I'm at. You know, red meat, liver, egg yolks, pineapple. There's a bunch of fruits that are abundant in natural folates, and I just pivoted to that kind of a diet. And what's crazy is to this day, on this day, I am not on any pharmaceuticals. I'm living my best life.
I don't even do cardio. I mean, it's weird. I I just by eating real foods, so many I lost a ton of weight. I became clear in my brain. I I mean, the the number of positive things that have happened where people who need the literature, it's like, I don't necessarily, like, I don't necessarily buy the literature myself.
I am speaking from my own, experience, my own lens, what I saw amongst my patients, what I saw in the labs, in the hospital, I would say I mean, largely and which is why I'm I'm big into podcasting now is that I cannot concisely cite every single study that influenced my journey to where I am today, but I am more confident in where I stand today than I've ever been. And I do believe folic acid is enemy number one. You can type in folic acid nanobots, folic acid smart gel, folic acid, all these things, and they'll tell you they are attaching nanobots as cancer treatment to folic acid because folic acid grows cancer, and therefore, they can get that that therapy into the cells. Yet no one's talking about actually, like, eliminating the folic acid. Like, it's a chemical.
It's causing cancer. What are we doing? But it is big pharma who is driving this. And so, because we know at this point, big pharma owns all of government, owns all of the food, owns big they own everything. You gotta go into your you gotta follow Gubba Homestead because that's honestly the answer.
That's where that is if you want to get well, it's not gonna be found in your doctor. It's going to be found in people who are bringing you back to yourself as your own healer. And how do you live with the land, and how do you live with nature? Because you are nature. And any any time human beings attempt to do better than nature, we fail.
A 100% of the times, we cannot do better than the beautiful design that is the human body interacting with the natural world. It is one ecosystem. We are the ecosystem. The ecosystem out is the ecosystem in. I don't believe in germs.
I don't believe in viruses. I don't believe in germ theory, which is the entirety that western medicine is based on, and, hence, go ahead and call me Tatum, not doctor Toner. Doctor Toner has left the building, and I am very much sitting into my healer role as a human being criticizing this as somebody who did the entirety of this and am no longer identifying with it. I'm walking away. That is not the answer for me.
And, yes, I am walking away with a big old debt. Okay? This is not something that I'm I don't have deep pockets here that are floating this, sudden epiphany. I am taking on a 100% of the risk to say, I would rather be myself instead. Good for you.
And I love I was going to ask what you would give as advice for somebody who's starting on this journey, but you just wrapped it up beautifully. And I love how you ended that you would rather be yourself instead because I feel like that is so powerful. And if people follow that and they were just rather themselves, I feel like society would be a lot more lighter. People could lead with themselves instead of, like, what we've been talking about is going to somebody else to find their critical thinking and to find the answers for them. So thank you so much.
You're welcome. And I'll just add to, from a spiritual perspective, back when I was doing all this unraveling and residency, I also made the decision to pursue free birth for my second son. So I abandoned you know, because once I realized that that it was the obese and the pediatricians that were pushing folic acid, the majority, you know, and it makes sense. And, again, go back to 1998 when they started putting in the food. When do you see miscarriage and infertility start taking off?
I mean, every single rate of disease, Alzheimer's, cancer, everything takes off in 1998. I know. It's wild. With the free birth, you know, I had to go and, really abandon a 100% of the indoctrinated fears in pregnancy and and labor and and and recognize that all of that was misguiding. Those two side by side were me walking the walk, talking the talk, and then reaching the end with just such strong conviction.
There's not anybody. And so what made me think about that is when you said you're your own healer. Go back to you. You wanna be you. Any agency that is asking that you outsource your power and your decision making to another agency, to something outside of yourself, quickly recognize that that's that's not it.
That's not it. Anybody who wants you to give them the authority for yourself that that is not leading you back to your own power is is robbing you of that power. I completely agree, and I feel like that's what we are trying to do. Like you mentioned, being online and sharing, that's what we're trying to do is bring power back to the people. And I feel like your message is so powerful, especially because people put the doctors up on the pedestal, and they think that they are the all in all, but, like, you just shared your journey that you are stepping away from it.
You're being true to yourself and the truth that you found along the way. So I just wanna thank you so much for joining us and sharing this message with all of those who are listening right now. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Deba. I am such a fan.
I have been looking forward to this podcast and meeting you. And, if you ever wanna talk about birth or anything else, like anyways, I'd love to come back. I'm a big fan, so happy whenever. Thank you. Thank you.
And there you have it. Tatum's journey from trusting the system to exposing its deepest lies. Again, you can find her online at renwellmd. And thank you so much for listening. Make sure to share this episode, stay curious, and do not be afraid to question the narrative.
See you next time.
